Request For Discussion

moderated group soc.politics.anti-fascism
moderated group misc.activism.anti-fascism.announce
moderated group misc.activism.anti-fascism.tactics

This is a formal Request for Discussion (RFD) concerning the creation of three new moderated newsgroups called misc.activism.anti-fascism. announce, misc.activism.anti-fascism.tactics, and soc.politics. anti-fascism. This is not a Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time. Procedural details are below.

CHANGES from previous RFD:

changed description of T. A. Turner
changed description of P. Kneisel
added Salizar to description of "fascism"
added anti-fascist newsletters names
expanded description of www to reflect changes on anti-fascist web
added section on debate over definition of "fascism"
clarified "cross post" versus "multiple posts"
expanded "advertising" section to include www and ftp publications
expanded posting to news groups
added one web site to posting

Newsgroups lines:

misc.activism.anti-fascism.announce -- Announcing anti-fascist activities. (Moderated)
misc.activism.anti-fascism.tactics -- Planning anti-fascist activities. (Moderated)
soc.politics.anti-fascism -- The politics of fighting fascism. (Moderated)

RATIONALE: all groups

There is currently no central Usenet location dedicated to issues of anti-fascism. Inclusively, the word "anti-fascism" should be taken as a generic opposition to policies reflected in the activities of the political groups controlled by A. Hitler, F. Franco, and B. Mussolini, Salizar, the K.K.K., as well as those acts defined as Crimes Against Humanity by the International Tribunals on War Crimes held in Nuremberg, Germany.

Numerous debates and discussions have long taken place in the various discussion lists and news groups. These include groups perceived as pro-fascist (alt.politics.white-power), anti-fascist (alt.politics.socialism. trotsky), and neutral (soc.culture.ireland). The issue of anti-fascism has been controversial on the net as shown by the vote over All of the existing unmoderated groups are no place for serious discussions and non-discussive exchanges since they are haunted by irrelevant crossposts, off-topic conversations, and extensive flaming. Moderated groups where anti-fascism is occasionally discussed and debated are devoted to formal topics other than anti-fascism.

In addition, there are over fifty major and hundreds of individual sites on the World Wide Web devoted to anti-fascism, anti-hate, and related issues. However, the structure of the WWW limits it as a medium for the active exchange of ideas.

Electronic publications like the Antifa Info-Bulletin, the Holocaust Newsletter, and The Internet Anti-Fascist, are insufficient because of the need for such publications to carry a limited number of short articles. Extending publication would distort the form and the reasonable requirement for very tight editing would be inappropriate for more far-reaching debates and discussions. Newsgroups also tend to be more accessible for newcomers.

The soc.politics.* and misc.activism.* hierarchies were chosen because they fit well with our intention of creating Internet-based locii where abstract theories of anti-fascism and on-going anti-fascist practices in the world could be presented, exchanged, and debated. (N.B. "theories" and "practices" in the plural).

CHARTER: soc.politics.anti-fascism

soc.politics.anti-fascism is intended as a moderated forum for the debate and discussion of anti-fascism and economic, ethical, historical, legal, philosophical, political, psychological, and sociological topics related to it. These discussions should logically include errors that different anti-fascist tendencies made in defining "fascism" itself.

It is not meant as a "dial-a-demo" group nor a focus for discussions specifically designed to develop anti-fascist activism in today's world.

Moderation Policy:

The moderator(s) reserves the right to reject any articles submitted to soc.politics.anti-fascism that are supportive of fascism, consisting of more than 1/2 quotation, or are off-topic for the declared purpose of the group.

Single cross-posts will not be accepted unless they are of immediate relevance or importance to the news group. Non-spammed multiple postings to other news groups and discussion lists will not be actively discouraged.

Advertising Policy:

Works by established publishers on topics related to the group may be advertised, provided:

1) Such advertisements are not posted more than once per month per published work and are preceded by the string "AD" in the subject field;

2) The advertisements are accompanied with full bibliographic material, including author, title, place of publication, publisher and publisher's address, date of publication, and price;

3) The advertisement may be accompanied by a descriptive blurb of the work not to exceed 250 words.

4) Advertisements for documents republished in electronic form via www and ftp will be accepted subject to the above limitations.

Given the nature of scholarly research and the need for open discussion and debate, such advertising would not necessarily be judged from the standpoint of explicit anti-fascism: e.g. an Oxford University Press history of the rise of fascism in Latvia would not likely have an explicitly anti-fascist content. This would not prevent Oxford from posting an advertisement for the work.


MODERATOR INFO: soc.politics.anti-fascism
Moderator: Marc Alain Steier
M.A. Steier is an attorney and a member of the National Lawyers Guild. (This is mentioned only to list his background. It should not be taken to imply that the N.L.G. as an organization officially endorses or condemns his action.)


CHARTER: misc.activism.anti-fascism.announce

misc.activism.anti-fascism.announce moderated is intended as a focus for announcements of real-time anti-fascist activities.

Moderation Policy:
The moderator(s) reserve the right to reject posts that are off-topic to the declared purpose of the group.

Single cross-posts will generally not be accepted; non-spammed multiple postings to other news groups and discussion lists will not be actively discouraged.

Advertising Policy:

1) Commercial advertisements by for-profit groups are prohibited.

2) Commercial advertisements of events (e.g. those with an admission fee) by not-for-profit groups will be permitted provided they are not posted more than once a month, do not exceed 250 words, and are preceded by the string "AD" in the subject field. However, 100-word reminders may be posted on a weekly basis during the month preceding the event.

MODERATOR INFO: misc.activism.anti-fascism.announce
Moderator: Tamara Turner
gay activist, historian, and member of Radical Women


CHARTER: misc.activism.anti-fascism.tactics

misc.activism.anti-fascism.tactics moderated is intended as the anti-fascist time/space antipode of soc.politics.anti-fascism. It is for discussions and debates of real-time anti-fascist activities (NB: the triple plural)

Moderation Policy:

The moderator(s) will actively encourage critical anti-fascist discussions and debates of anti-fascist real-time actions. The moderator(s) reserve the right to reject posts that are off-topic to the declared purpose of the group.

Single cross-posts will generally not be accepted; non-spammed multiple postings to other news groups and discussion lists will not be actively discouraged.

Advertisement Policy:

Advertisements are banned.


MODERATOR INFO: misc.activism.anti-fascism.tactics

Moderator: Paul Kneisel
editor/publisher: The Internet Anti-Fascist


CHARTER: all groups

The collective moderator(s) from all three groups may alter the moderator lists by vote, with 3/4's of those voting necessary to create the alteration(s).



This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes. In this phase of the process, any potential problems with the proposed news groups should be raised and resolved. The discussion period will continue for a minimum of 10 days (starting from when this 7th RFD is posted to news.announce.newgroups).

At the end of this discussion period, a Call For Votes (CFV) will be posted by a neutral vote taker.

This RFD attempts to comply fully with the Usenet news group creation guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and "How to Format and Submit a New Group Proposal". Please refer to these documents if you have any questions about the process.


This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroups:

news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, soc.politics.socialism.trotsky,

This RFD has been posted to the following web sites:


Proponent: Paul Kneisel
Proponent: Mark Alain Steier
Proponent: Tamara Turner

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